You are entitled to your opinion. Why have the administrators been so secretive? Why would a WELL KNOWN, WELL LOVED INSTITUTION be scrapped so readily? Why couldn't they see the allegations - and have a chance to reply? One vocal accuser - directly - said NOTHING HAPPENED!

This process parallels the multiple recent sexual assault allegations, where young men often can't even rebut or answer allegations! One young Band-uh accuser, in a simple google search, directly said nothing happened, but a friend of hers had something allegedly hurtful said. ("Kill yourself.") Bad joke? Contrivance? Bitter break up?

No stretch. Notice these people with hurt feelings are rarely if ever physics, engineering, French, Econ, or Biology majors? An email survey and interviewing one side (people with hurt feelings) sure smacks of a stacked deck.

NCagalum wrote: "...but one who complained in the California Aggie “a third-year American studies and gender, sexuality and women’s studies double major”."

BINGO!!!

What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

Better be. Two years running we struggle to move the ball against a Pac 12 ... if we wanna gun for a championship, we need that next step.

Think about this. The CAMB may have a higher favorability rating than UCD!!

It sounds like 2 young ladies may be 'social justice warriors'? I can guess what their majors are.

Done in the summer, behind closed doors, when the CAMB can't defend itself.

Generic U, here we come. Where's Bob Dunning when you need him?

I heard years ago band uniforms were in bad shape. One of our first big athletic donors, an old timer, wrote s check.

Don't forget this victim mindset / new politics helped take down AD Sochor for an administration basketball hiring, and brought a women's lawsuit which included Ass AD Pam Gil.

Our administration also controls the bookstore. Some campus bookstores run by students.

Are UCLA and Berkeley bands now campus run? Was that the end goal, more centralized top-down control?

I chatted with some band members 8-10 years ago. Women. They hated the bureaucracy. Their complaints?

I believe they said almost no support. Not meals at games, not even bottled water. No priority for getting classes (I think Cal does), so the whole band rarely could all practice together.

I don't see how this backdoor quasi investigation differentiates between private behavior and official Band behavior. When one basketball player did something, possibly on a university road trip, the whole team wasn't banned. The Band is much larger, so a few people pushing the envelope on private time isn't out of the norm.

Sac Bee May 30, 2019

"Ema Seijas and her friend were two of the students who came forward. Seijas is a former section leader of the Cal Aggie Marching Band (CAMB) who quit just a few weeks ago.

"She told ABC10 that when she first joined, it seemed to be everything she was looking for in an organization and she thought, "This is exactly what I want to do."

However, she chose to leave after her friend shared **shocking stories of unkind treatment at parties.**

"My friend came to me with stories of what had happened to her even at these parties," Seijas said. "How she had been told to kill herself at these parties. Nobody did anything. I was at these parties. How is this happening? I wanted to believe this band all the people were doing was having fun. Nobody was getting hurt but people are getting hurt. You just have to look closer." "

Edit. Ema Seijas says in this article her goal was an investigation.

But she says, "Nobody did anything". "Nobody was getting hurt." I. E., no assualt. They directly contradict themselves.

Will the proud Cal Aggie Band lie down for this? Will alumni let it stand?

Possibly one sided? Death by Innuendo and Exaggeration?

No ability to rebute, put in context, bury straw men?

Any idea what the current CAMB members think?

I've heard so many people speak joyfully and reverently of our beloved band. Opponents feared, but loved them. "Is your band coming?"

It is tough to imagine large scale, illegal behavior. More like the dorms - some people are bookworms, some in the middle, and a more rambunctious group. This likely falls on administrative hurt feelings from a previous outside band director who, if I recall, seemed sensitive and peculiar - to establish a pattern of behavior?

Does the Defendant (the Band) get a chance to defend silly or wild allegations?

Rebuttal? Confront wild accusations?

If I recall from an earlier Bee article, there was possibly one young woman who had some kind of encounter with a male member, and months or a year later decided it wasn't consensual? She may have been a driving force.

Do most female band members agree with this 'independent report'?

Possibly demand pricing, a new thing / Blue approach. I.E., a big game, possible sell out, tickets cost more.

Sac Bee, Oct 25, 2017

Suicide, investigation and a lawsuit follow booze-fueled UC Davis ag school retreat

"It was supposed to be a two-day retreat to Monterey, a chance for a small group of employees in UC Davis’ agriculture college to bond and tour a lettuce-growing operation in nearby Salinas."

"Instead, the event turned into an alcohol-fueled bender that one participant later likened to a “booze cruise” at the Intercontinental Hotel on Cannery Row, a hotel so expensive that some staffers were asked to share beds in their rooms with co-workers."

"One manager was accused of stripping naked and asking underlings to join him in a bathtub. Two others admitted they began drinking vodka and cranberry juice on the morning car ride down to Monterey while singing along to the movie “Footloose.” "

"...And the chief administrative officer of the department, a newly hired Air Force colonel with a wife and two young children, drove to an empty field in Rio Linda, put a pistol in his mouth and pulled the trigger."

"The suit claims UC Davis discriminated against De Los Santos because he was a veteran, alleging that he was suspended and told to stay away from campus because officials were concerned he would “show up with a gun.” "

"...The retreat involved 17 staff members from the “Phoenix Cluster,” an arm of the Department of Entomology and Nematology that advises students and provides support for departments in the agriculture college."

Two staffers drank all the way down, in a car (university vehicle?).

Alcohol was purchased on a University credit card, and given to De Los Santos. Rooms $414.

http://www.sacbee.com/news/investigations/the-public-eye/article180729426.html

Double standards?

Since our Marketing is still lost, anyone here have the ability and time to make a Highlight video?

Suggested highlights

Stadium shot
Hawkins shot
Pat Miller drilling a Bear, causing a fumble
Gilliam one-handed grab
Keelan Doss shot
Sweet sideline catches
More forced turnovers

The Sac Bee article claims a little more unsavory behavior:

"hazing"
"binge drinking"
"sexual harrassment"
42% complained about alumni band members at parties
"Naked hot tub sessions" (voluntary?)
"known rapists" (inflammatory allegations?)

I don't know if the CAMB had any representation, but ending habitual alumni band socializing, and the 'naked hot tub sessions' are easy, common sense concessions.

But if these are the standards, Zero Tolerance, a lot of student groups could fall. Fraternities. Historically Black fraternities (branding, beatings). There are probably others.

How many band members own their own instruments?

I have an idea!

Cal Aggie un-Band-uH gathering at Plainfield Station ... WITH a bonfire!!! Private property... private instruments... have a blast ... and sing rebellious lyrics!

What are the options.

Appeal?

Legal action?

Is Chancellor May OK with this?

What's next, Picnic Day Battle of the Bands truncated over administrative fidgeting?

My assumption is that the Alumni Band is purged bc one or two members flirted with (over 18) and possibly partied with Band members?

Does this now mean campus professors, grad students, and adult staff are strictly prohibited from flirting, dating, and socializing with students?

It's worse than that. They took ...

East Hall?
The Pub
Hickey Gym (now 100% ICA?)
The Bonfire
Cowbells
The Steam Engine
Toomey Field (no warning)
Probably others (please add) ...

And now ...

The Band-Uh? Over PC Millenial hurt feelings?!

If ever there was a sign campus is run by disconnected non-Aggie outsiders ...

But a campus department staff group - composed of mature ADULTS in their 30s, 40s, and 50s - on a recent "training session" to Monterey was ...

- drinking while driving (campus vehicles?) to Monterey
- inconsequential, frilly field training
- expensive rooms (misuse of campus funds?)
- heavy drinking
- [a complaint was later lodged by an attendee]
- the new Manager, a Military Veteran, was notified by email (not protocol)
- the Manager (and Father) committed suicide

Which episode is worse?

I believe he had a large family group in attendance wearing Cal Aggie (logo) customized with "Assassin". Great family.

Gruden went from positive to a small remark.

So Keelan was an insurance policy. 16 catches, 1 legit drop? Does Gruden feel burned? No need for the remark, just say QB a higher priority.

I hope Doss stays classy. I heard he also made great catches in practice?

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