• cmt
    123
    Fresh off a dominating performance against the bye week, the Ags move up in the polls!

    Up a spot in the STATS poll as well.
  • BlueGoldAg
    1.1k
    Athlon Sports have the Ags down one spot to #10:

    1. Sam Houston State
    2. North Dakota State
    3. James Madison
    4. Montana State
    5. EWU
    6. Northern Iowa
    7. Southern Illinois
    8. South Dakota State
    9. Southeastern Louisiana
    10. UC Davis
    11. Kennesaw Stater
    12. Sacramento State
    13. Montana
    14. Villanova
    15. Eastern Tennessee State
    16. Weber State
    17. Missouri State
    18. U of Tennessee Martin
    19. Princeton
    20. VMI
    21. William & Mary
    22. Chattanooga
    23. South Dakota
    24. Eastern Kentucky
    25 tie Jackson State
    25 tie Mercer

    https://athlonsports.com/college-football/fcs-rankings-top-25-power-poll-following-week-9-2021
  • BlueGoldAg
    1.1k
    :lol: Yep, the bye week moved us up in a couple of polls so far and down in another!

    Stats FCS Poll:

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    https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/football/fcs/stats-perform-fcs-top-25
  • Toke69
    280
    How does UC Davis drop a spot?
  • DrMike
    649
    how do they move up? Still surprised Sac is a low as they are in some polls
  • Riveraggie
    209
    I don’t think Davis has covered a point spread since Weber game. I’m not talking specifically from a gambling point of view but point spreads reflect a consensus of opinion, Davis has underperformed week after week, relative to score expectations.

    A lot of the polls are too influenced by where teams were in early polls. Teams get ranked based on last season or first couple of games and then it’s hard for a team to move up. Based on point differential and record this season Sac should be right there with us.
  • Toke69
    280
    I can't recall if anyone has brought up the Sagarin ratings (http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm), but counting only FCS schools, it rates UC Davis #18 (127 overall). To Riveraggie's point, Sac State is #16 (124 overall), just ahead of U. of Arizona. Sagarin uses strength of schedule, as well as points, but also how teams have done in more recent games.
  • Riveraggie
    209
    Sagarin list several different ratings for teams, one of which weights more recent games heavier. At one time they had a rating based on wins and losses, but now all algorithms use only point differentials. Our next game we’re picked by various algorithms to win by between 4.75 and 7.91 points, with the closer margin based on both teams recent performance. In summary a close game.
  • cmt
    123
    And it's also generally hard for teams to be dropped unless they lose. Sure, you might drop a spot if you barely beat a bad team and somebody behind you wins, but if teams in front of you lose, even if it's to another good team, you'll jump up.
  • DavisAggie
    39
    Northern Colorado was a cover
  • Riveraggie
    209
    yep I overlooked that one
  • Riveraggie
    209

    How can the FCS coaches poll have Montana #10 and Sac #22 ?
    Ranked 12 places higher than Sac who beat them at home and also has only one loss to a FCS opponent?
  • agalum
    294
    I suspect Sac is stuck with the stigma of being poor sports and taking cheap shots. It will take time for that to change but maybe some of that influences voting?
  • NCagalum
    209
    That is just totally wrong. Sac beats Montana in their house. Also Montana sneaks by a 1 win SUU at home. Montana just does not look good at this point. Quite a different feel from after their first game. I think injuries have something to do with it - but Montana State will likely beat them and a loss at NAU would not surprise me.

    I wonder if there is some “coach envy” from Taylor getting coach of year honors and maybe not being considered (along with Sac) as in the “insiders club”.
  • DrMike
    649
    it seems like they are holding that UNI loss over their heads, even though they really didn’t penalize cuz for losing to a one-win team. They played a PAC12 team tough, we beat not so good AAC team. They beat Montana, we beat Weber. Seemed like similar bodies of work
  • agalum
    294
    Cal is not very good this year. They played their best game of the year last saturday. I think the team that beat Tulsa would have beaten them.
  • DrMike
    649
    I think Cal would beat Tulsa easily. A not so good PAC12 team should beat a not so good AAC team with suspensions
  • cmt
    123
    Which is weird because UNI lost to Iowa State, NDST and South Dakota (No. 23) and has beaten 3 ranked teams, two of which are in the top 10. Montana beat Washington, which is a good win, but haven't done much since. Resume wise, UNI should probably be ahead of both teams.
  • Riveraggie
    209
    Tulsa has been a major disappointment this season. If they had not fumbled the ball through the end zone they would have likely scored and we would not be a top 10 team.
    Really, imperfect as it is, judging teams purely by a matrix of all teams comparative scores is the best method. For one thing it’s objective. Second, whether a team wins sometimes is pure luck, Not ranking a team based on their having one more loss than another leads to the kind of injustices we’ve been noting.
    Northern Iowa is ranked by Sagarin higher than any Big Sky team.
  • agalum
    294

    What i was trying to say in a round about way was that I think the Aggie team that beat Tulsa had a good chance of knocking off Cal. Clearly we are not the same team now. Sac was able to hang in there with them.
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