• 69aggie
    405
    I think now is the time to begin this discussion. Obviously the Conners will be instituting a lawsuit against the NCAA to over turn the NCAA descision denying them one additional year of eligibility. What that decision was based upon precisely is not clear. Recent cases have leaned toward loosening the NCAA rules regarding players eligibility due to “anti trust” considerations basically because it negatively affects players economically, I.e. to earn NIL money. It would be very helpful if the administration would make public the actual NCAA written decision on this matter so we could all know where the matter now stands. We can begin the discussion in earnest after we have a clear idea of what the NCAAs decision is all about. Any matters that might compromise the Conners privacy can be redacted or waived by the Conners themselves.
  • DrMike
    1.1k
    At Plough's last lunch, he said the NCAA sited precedence about (i think) a volleyball player in a similar situation. What's crazy to me is that the NCAA's stance on eligibility seems so fluid in most cases, but so rigid here. Last year, they decided that JC years didn't count because a player threatened a lawsuit. What's the justification besides trying to avoid a lawsuit?

    That being said....if Rex's injury was an ACL, how confident should we be that we would be physically ready for next season?
  • FindingJoy
    48
    9 months should land him back in fall camp no?
  • Riveraggie
    387
    Anyone have any documentation stating that playoff games don't count as scheduled games? Everything I've found indicates they do, there are precedents where they did, and I can't find a report of a change that is said to have occurred last year.
  • agalum
    508

    I’ve seen it on the ncaa website. I’ll look for it.
  • movielover
    688
    Has the University's Appeal been filed?
  • agalum
    508

    I think twice.
  • Riveraggie
    387

    I found one PDF that indicated games cancelled do count, but it was from 2001.
    The rule is updated in 2001 to use the term scheduled games intentionally rather than the previous word completed games, specifically to include games cancelled due to weather. The appeal because the game didn't complete looks like a losing argument as the rule intends to count those games

    On the other hand I found a 2022 powerpoint that gave example that clearly counted NCAA championships to determine denominator for 30% rule..
  • 69aggie
    405
    I agree with River the obtuse NCAA eligibility rules will not be in the Conners favor. But bear in mind that all of the rules of the game have been affected/changed by the House settlement. Now, the House court has unequivocally stated that the ability of a player to achieve NIL money is a fundamental right of the student athlete. And this is precedent. In Robinson v. NCAA the court ruled that if an eligibility decision by the NCAA negatively impacted a player’s ability to achieve NIL income it could be determined that it was an unfair antitrust decision. A restraint on the player’s ability to earn money. A violation of Federal Antitrust laws. Let’s ride the wave and see how this all plays out. I hope that the lawsuit is filed in the northern district of the federal district court in Oakland and comes before the district judge Claudia Wilken. She is the judge who decided the House case. She is a great judge.
  • Zander
    250
    I for one would like to state that I am interested in buying official Connors bros merch but them not being able to play next year will directly dampen my interest and make me less motivated to get products with their names, images, and likenesses on them.
  • dlmusgrove
    30
    Was that a substantive decision in a similar situation or just a case about standing or something?
  • DrMike
    1.1k
    I believe the gist of the lawsuit has to do with their potential future earnings that losing a year takes away.

    I can’t figure how the NCAA can say ‘oh yeah, JC play now doesn’t count’ but toes the line on a situation like this.
  • Riveraggie
    387
    The NCAA didn’t say JC years don’t count, multiple courts issued injunctions for individual players leading the NCAA to suspend counting JC years pending appeal or the NCAA getting anti trust exemption, recognizing the rule was unenforceable. Our judicial system doesn’t consider the big picture. Hence our current situation with NIL, cash payments etc. because the courts in effect decide the NCAA has no right to regulate college sports.
  • BlueGoldAg
    1.6k
    I would be nice if Mercer would join into this legal action for the benefit of their players who are affected by this nonsense
  • 69aggie
    405
    Dr Mike, I totally agree with you. In a sense this case should be far easier for the court than the Robinson cases because it could only affect the Conners situation rather than challenging an entire NCAA policy, I.e. the so-called “5 year rule” which I assume would be the Mercer position. But yes, it would be better if Mercer got involved here. I will add that the K. Robinson v. NCAA case was abruptly dismissed in august. This usually means that a confidential settlement was reached. But again, how does the NCAA plausibly argue that their decision that the Mercer game was a “non-game” yet for the Conners it was a “real game” which just had to be deleted for other reasons. That decision deprived the Conners of their one last season of eligibility just like the one year of lost eligibility in both the Robinson cases. Seems like an arbitrary and capricious decision. To me, of course!
  • Riveraggie
    387
    The cancelled game is rare in football but more common in sports like baseball. The hardship rule applies to all sports. They weren't capricious and arbitrary when they wrote the rule using the term "scheduled" in place of "completed" which was used previously for the hardship rule, it was intentional. An example the rule change document gave in 2001 was athletes not knowing until the end if the season whether they were going to lose their hardship rights if the games late in the season were rained out. There is a logic to their position, whether we agree or not.
  • lucche
    33
    So, if a game is scheduled but cancelled before the game was to be played the following Sat. Would be counted as a game played, but the visiting team never even traveled to the game location.
    So, a cancelled game would always count as a scheduled game.
  • lucche
    33
    So, a team that cancels their scheduled season for a reason the players would all lose a year of eligibility and never played a game. Just theoretical based on their wording
  • lucche
    33
    Therefore the Ags Connors played in 14 scheduled games according to the wording.
    And all players who were hurt also played at least 12 scheduled games. Not games they participated in but scheduled games.
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